shake and bake white phosphorus

So who are you to believe? Your politics are your view, your opinion. It wakes up the public and may change the tide for support of such wars. i think cheney&co will be remembered as war criminals. Civil discourse is highly valued here at MOA and therefore even though I'm going to challenge or question/debate some of your points, I'd like to express my appreciation for your respectful contribution. A 'shake and bake' fire mission has nothing whatsoever to do with artificial illumination or laying a delivered smoke screen ... Laws of War and Conventions/Treaties can supposedly be justifiably abrogated due to that flexible term, 'Military Necessity' ... according to the US ... Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 0:25 utc | 4. Their italics. He had seen "pieces of these bombs explode into large fires that continued to burn on the skin even after people dumped water on the burns". You can argue that it should be classified as such, and as such be subject to the CWP. We fired ‘shake and bake’ missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.” In other words the claim by the US Government that White Phosphorus was used only for illumination at Fallujah had been pre-emptively debunked by the Army. However, the CCW also applies to any weapon that would otherwise be considered 'conventional' when it meets the definitions re 'toxic chemical' and actual employment (method of warfare) by utilization of its chemical properties. It is not a match where one keeps score by counting casualties on either side. . Posted by: Enough | Nov 11 2005 20:47 utc | 65, it is & remains an illegal war of occupation where all methods are being used & experimented including those that crash through international law & conventions with alarming velocity, so sordid has been this occupation & its many faces have included false flag operations, a reasoned history of such operations would leave little doubt that such things as death squads, targeted assassination, penetrated opposition grous, agent provocateurs etc etc are well within the limits of possibility & for my part feel that they are indeed probable, the bombings in jordan can be any number of things - it can be an extending of operations by the resistance - tho that this point that seems the least likely, it is the responsibility of a manipulated group which is 'owned' by the occupation forces, it is an intelligence operation directly coordinated by the occupation, nothing is too far fetched because all these possibilities exist & have existed with evidence during this immoral war & we have enough evidence from other interventions that it is well within the realms of possibility, i would like to believe that pat's army is an honest broker but i feel in the end they are tools of mad foreign policy just as ther german armies were complicit in a mad foreig policy & deliberately participated in illegal actions knowing they were illegal (this is very true in relation to the'commissar order' for example where there was great division in the general staff in particular on the question of legality), all efforts that try to bring light where only darkeness exists are cause for hope & for that dahl ought to be thanked by larger communities, Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 21:59 utc | 66, ample recent evidence has been provided by our own outraged & stan goff for example in haiti & i would strongly suggest his book on that subject that can be bought through counterpunch, interesting book just published from a colloque on the fabrication of the jihad which is a very nasty piece of neocon work, Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 22:08 utc | 67. Don't even show me that image of the kid with the white flag. He had smuggled some tapes out of the city before his gear was taken from him by US soldiers. On additional thought. However the Geneva convention prohibits its use in areas where civils are at risk. Looting Civilians and their property is a crime. If you talk to an Iraqi soldier or Policeman, you will find that about one half of them joined because either Saddam or these insurgents have killed a friend or family member. It would just give citizens a better understanding of the world around them and a newfound sense of belonging in the country they live in. In the GWOT, the Bush Administration went one step farther and threw all international restrictions out the door. As far as the forced labor issue goes, I don't know when that's dated. For this reason it is capable of dissolving the body parts with which it comes into contact, the mucous tissues being the most exposed to its effects. The occupation apparently has high hopes for these measures. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 1:04 utc | 99, Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 22:17 utc | 100. “It’s a war,” said Cpl. combustibility. What is the point of this continual drone that you all are making?? As with all incendiary ordnance its use is limited exclusively to military objectives. We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE [i.e., high explosives] to take them out." Colonel Randolph Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11, remarked during the initial invasion of Iraq in 2003: "The generals love napalm - it has a big psychological effect. 3 more years, it can only get worse for them, unless there is some rosy scenario waiting around the corner in the ME. Still didn't stop me from being provoked by allegation that this murdering was being done for me and my country tho. That means that you can't shoot anyone on sight. I was there. Well then, please do look back on your murdering raping and pillaging and consider it worthwhile. ?give me a little proof. @Pat Posted by: GM | Nov 15 2005 22:02 utc | 93, “any chemical that is used against humans or animals that causes harm... [is] considered chemical weapons... prohibited behavior[under the CCW]” ”And they said the people they are tending to in the refugee camps set up in the desert outside the city are telling horrible stories of suffering and death inside Fallujah.”, ... and at no point heard any talk of Shake 'n Bake. Posted by: annie | Nov 11 2005 17:13 utc | 44. They are good at what they do. The Pentagon has confirmed that US troops used white phosphorus during last year's offensive in the northern Iraqi city of Falluja. Posted by: A United States Marine | Nov 11 2005 13:16 utc | 39. Unequivical enough ? Shake and Bake means First used during Vietnam War and revived in Iraq to refer to attacks using a combination of conventional bombs, cluster bombs (CBU), and napalm. Trolls eat angry, emotional responses on websites. And it just seemed that they always told the Army's side of the story in return for that protection. I'll move on with it when the last soldier occupying Iraq moves on, reparations are paid, an apology is delivered and the mass-murdering criminals who engineered this insanity are brought to justice. there is no way you can use white phosphorus like that without forming a deadly chemical cloud that kills everything within a tenth of a mile in all directions from where it hits. Only a few were decided to stay. So the marine may be genuine and not some pentagon inspired attempt to slam the barn door after the horse has bolted. ‘Shake ‘n Bake’ This line however [that white phosphorus had only been used as a smokescreen] crumbled when bloggers (whose influence must not be under-estimated these days) ferreted out an article published by the US Army’s Field Artillery Magazine in its issue of … hannah, don't you mean a vociferous majority? The logic is hardly compelling. Joking and rousting each other like boys just seconds before, the men were instantly all business. Posted by: DM | Nov 12 2005 0:39 utc | 84, how could you say such a thing As usual, it takes some 1/3 is a VERY high estimate. Posted by: Pat | Nov 10 2005 1:29 utc | 9, for their crimes - the united states will have to down on bended knees to ask forgiveness for what it has done, for what it is doing & for what is about to come, the moral bankruptcy of the junta reall seems to have no bottom Pentagon lawyers and military spokesmen (PR flaks) may insist that white phosphorus weapons like the WP M110A2 155 mm "smoke" artillery round are perfectly legal "smoke, incendiary or illumination devices", but it is very telling that In the American Civil War to have been in combat was to have seen the “elephant”. And in the end, a impact of multiple HE shells and the initial WP shell. How many of them were non-combatant civilians ? Mistreatment of any captured or surrendered enemy is a crime. In … I bet it's pretty easy to type all that crap from behind a computer screen and not when rounds are flying over your head. Some Marines don't like the idea of using forced labor in Fallujah. However, processing, deployment, storage and overall safety concerns primarily Sam Mortimer radio that "everything to the west is weapons free." I used to be a bleeding liberal like you, but then after joining the Marines and got out and saw the world, I now have at least SOME clue as to what's going on. America's badly damaged image in the Muslim world could take more than a generation to set right. In the past, regardless of the actions of the enemy, which is not a mitigating defense, under the UCMJ, the Laws of War and the Geneva Conventions: @Jim S But their commanders won't allow them to write "f**k" on their airplanes because it's obscene! Ha! Dr Ahmed, who worked in Fallujah until December 2004, said: "In the centre of the Jolan quarter they were removing entire homes which have been bombed, meanwhile most of the homes that were bombed are left as they were.". White Phosphorus-- AKA Willy Pete (WP) Well, now that the cat is out of the bag and all the major networks are carrying it, I remember when the ground offensive began and a Marine buddy of mine and I were watching the live coverage when I witnessed an air burst munition being used. military specifications sheets (Document ID: MIL-DTL-60477B(3)) Denying enemy wounded or non-combatants equivalent medical treatment and care is a crime. So let em fail if that is what will happen; you may assist in that failure in subtle ways, but don't get drawn into pointless arguments. I suspect from what has been hid and did, not to mention said; that the marine may have got to Fallujah after the worst of the atrocities had been committed. If you wish to use copyrighted material for purposes other than "fair use" you must request permission from the I used to be a bleeding liberal like you, but then after joining the Marines and got out and saw the world, I now have at least SOME clue as to what's going on. The insurgents of Fallujah were described as Ali Baba, or thieves. In its "conventional" use as a tool of war, white phosphorus provides illumination and smoke cover for soldiers in combat. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 20:02 utc | 62, i suspect the more we are able to see of photograzphs & films of what is happening on the ground - the more we will hear propoganda campaigns to say it is not happening at all. They, like any massive organization, like any government entity, do it protect themselves and those in their employ. Even upon returning to their homes and finding them half destroyed, they would come up and thank us. Only specific people listed with their photos. 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